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LENOVO Legion 7i Personal Review - After 10 Days ~

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First of all, this laptop is purchased using my own money and not sponsored (i hope someone can spend this for me, lol) , and this is not my first laptop (or gaming laptop), i love gadget and like to try something new (only the moment when i have some spare money), therefore, this review may contain some experience from my past used laptop, thus, nothing will be professional here as I dont install any benchmarking tools or show you any result point that comparing here and there :( I can only provide my real world use experience. My apologize ~

Here is my Legion 7i specification :

Intel Core i7 - 10875H (8-C / 16 T) 2.3Ghz Base, Turbo-Boost up to 5.1Ghz (only below 65'c, 4.9Ghz if above that)
16GB DDR4 3200MHz (Factory overclocked, 6-Core Model like 10750H will only run 2933Mhz)
1TB PCIE SSD (Samsung PM981a)
RTX2060 - 6GB GDDR6 (2020 Refreshed Version, 110W)
Vapor Chamber Cooling + Dual 12V Fan with ultra thin fan blade
15" FHD 1920x1080 500Nits Display with 100% Adobe RGB, HDR Versa 400, 144Hz Refresh Rate and G-Sync
WIFI 6 (Intel AX201)
Bluetooth
Per Key RGB true-strike keyboard (1.3mm Travel) with iCUE software to control lighting effect.
Multi-touch trackpad
Stereo Speaker
3x USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A)
2x USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB C, 1 are Thunderbolt )
Network Port
HDMI Port
3.5mm audio jack


Talking about to choose a right spec for the Legion 7i was a painful experience, the Lenovo Malaysia website showing lot of confusing data ! There has alot of misleading specification in the page ! (After searching online, found out not only Malaysia, other country get same as well !) I end up waited another 3 weeks just to get the right model i wanted, and sold the earlier ordered unit when it come !

If you want to purchase this model, beware of some confusion :

1: Vapor Chamber Cooling is only available for 8-Core processor model (10875H) or RTX2070 graphic card above (model : 81YU, or 15IMHg05) ! (For Malaysia) Mean if you purchase 4 core model (like earlier 10300H Model +1660Ti) or 6 core 10750H + RTX2060 , you will get normal heat pipe cooling instead of vapor chamber ! I know it only after i sold my previous Legion 7i, which i sold it because of no G-Sync, i though it will come with Vapor Chamber, but not !

2: G-Sync only available for 8-Core model - 15IMHg05 (but not all 8-Core Model in some country) and with 144Hz display ! 240Hz display will get NO G-Sync ! Which is why i sold my 1st Legion 7i after known this issue, i sold it because it already shipped and can't cancel !

3: 240Hz Display get 100% sRGB, not 100% Adobe RGB ! The 240Hz display get lesser color than 144Hz one, and the 300nits +144hz version also come with 100% sRGB, but i cant confirm the 300nits got G-Sync or not, since all 8-core model come with 500nits display. (Some country mention that the 300nits display come with g-Sync, but only 8-Core CPU model)

4: Per Key RGB - All Legion 7i come with per key RGB, not 4-Zone RGB. Lenovo Malaysia show "4-Zone RGB" for all pre-built model included 8-Core high end model is false info. Only Custom built model it show "RGB Key Slate" Thats why i made mistake during 1st purchase !

5: DDR4 3200Mhz RAM is only available for 10875H (8-Core) model, the system come with 3200MHz out of the box, no setting required. For 6 and 4 Core model, 3200Mhz ram are installed but it will only run 2933Mhz.

6: Dont forget to choose model that come with "Free Microsoft Office" which cost RM467 ! Else, you will get Office Trial ! Normally, you can only get this select on custom built unit (Which you need to click on the office bundle during customization) . Like my model, it have 2 model number, 1 doesn't have Free Office . 81YU003MMJ will come with Office while 81YU003VMJ did not. ( Please use https://psref.lenovo.com/ to search "Legion 7" , filter the region/country to Malaysia, and get the model number with Office bundle, and add the model number in cart by using (quick add to cart), check out and you will get the free Office.


So, please choose carefully base on your need.


Quality, design, size & weight

I admit that i was a Apple fan during 2000 to something 2015, as on those day, the built quality of windows laptop just can't stand close to Mac, the awful look, bulky size, terrible track pad, dull color screen, bad battery life, below average speaker. Apple built good quality laptop especially in Steve's era, the Unibody design still look great and stable even by today standard. But recent years, Windows laptop has come closer to the gaps, some manufacture has really great quality laptop, the Lenovo Legion are one of it.


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If you ask me to purchase Legion Y-Series before Y530, i wouldn't want to consider it, no, they are good, but just not good as after that. The look are very gamer's, the red and blue color like the laptop are from spaceship or UFO, and they usually quite bulky to name it laptop.

Thanks to Tim-Cooking Apple up, the price of Mac become more expensive, some more, the specification is making it more hard to choose. I use to gaming in a Mac, since i am not a hardcore gamers, most games i like can run in my previous 2013 15"MBP quite well, not until Apple choose AMD Discrete Graphics Card for all of it pro model, it just painful slow compare to nVidia, but wait, you must say i am dumb ass as no body will game on a Mac ! Yes, i admit that, but i like the stability of OS X (Now MacOS) , how convenience to do some serious work with the OS than Windows, and i can have both Windows and MacOS in one devices really a gain on that time. A simple restart will give you a premium PC Laptop, why not?

During 2017, i give up the MBP15 and try PC Laptop, as Windows 10 is getting better and more user friendly than before, the Legion y530 catch my attention, the built quality for plastic is simply amazing, the hardware also work very well, it make me hat off for a PC laptop, really. I know there has some brand make great laptop too. I like the way that Lenovo blend the professional look on their Legion line-up, it is so great that you can bring it to office and not forfeited the gaming ability at night.


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The Legion 7i come with the same family slang, the look are so muted during working time which only surprise you after the RGB lighting come on at night. It is great that Lenovo stick to previous design language, the Legion 7i look really premium and professional during day time. The Aluminum quality is great, but not smooth as Apple did. The surface has some rough feeling when you touch it for the first time, it like feel a raw aluminum without smooth finished, but i found out this actually an advantage after several day of usage, it did not record finger print ! Like some aluminum laptop eg Razer, the smooth aluminum actually catch a lot of finger print and skin oil.

Some ppl report that their unit has trackpad gaps, but i don't see my unit has such defect. The hinge is firm but still able to open with 1 hand, the back ccover is made of aluminum and the joint part between upper chassis is solid, no gaps and it is very straight. The build quality really up standard, and there is very little flex in whole chassis, same does the very thin aluminum screen (Thinner than Legion 5), it is very solid. Just that, since it is not built from a solid aluminum block like Razer and Mac, when you hold it, you can still feel some "free gaps" between screen and keyboard area but there has no cracking or squeezing noise, to me, it still a very much improvement, consider the price i paid.

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This 15 inches laptop feel slim when hold it up, and the weight is fair consider the hardware and performance it packed, the thickness is somewhere like first Retina MacBook Pro 15 announced on 2012, and the weight is 2.15kg. It will be 3kg plus if included the slim 230W charger, which also Lenovo slim it very much this year, the last 230W charger ship with Y530 & Y7000 was like a brick ! Considering we got 8-Core processor, a many times powerful graphic card, 1TB of storage, in this thickness is insane compare to past ! Imagine that you get so much power on the same chassis in 2012 !

The port placement also very friendly, Lenovo put those cable-needed like power port and network port at the back of the laptop is a smart choice to me, as it will be so convenience to manage those messy cable. They arent forgot to place some port in left and right part also, which is really convenience ! Whats more, this laptop come with 5 USB port !!! Which is really a day when you want to transfer something, plug the mouse, this and that. There has 2 USB C on the left side, 1 are the thunderbolt , which also can use as USB 3, and there has a very good amount of space between 2, mean you easily plug 2 USB C at the same time.

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I also want to point out something that really good are, the back side of the laptop are using plastic rather than aluminum, which is good as i dont have to worry about scratching everytime i plug or unplug something, and the symbol actually light up, i can see it very clear that what port it is, this is the premium that 5i/5Pi don't have. Overall, the design should be very comfortable to majority of user, and the size & weight is fair consider the hardware it packed, nothing can be picky against it.


Screen, Keyboard, RGB, Trackpad, Speaker, webcam

The screen is the main point sold me in for this laptop ! When i purchase Y7000SE last year, i have miss the ship to own Y740, as it only come out after i got my Y7000. As a person who come from Mac, i really want a good screen, this laptop has a very good quality 1, and it has fast refresh rate !

Lenovo advertise that this laptop pack with bright 500nits matte screen, i dont have the true number for my screen as i dont have device to measure it, but it is super bright ! I will not set the brightness over 50% during normal use, as it is more than enough even use below LED bulb environment at my office, it really bright ! I will need to set at least 80% brightness on my previous Y530/Y7000 to read the content clearly at the same environment. It should be enough if want to use it in outdoor.

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My display manufacture are AUO 038E , and it has very great color accuracy out of the box, well, same does brightness, i dont have any device to test "how accurate" it has, it does come with X-Rite software out of the box which you can choose few profile from sRGB, Adobe RGB, DCI-P3 and Rec.709. I upload a same picture to the laptop and compare with my Note 10 plus, the color are very close, the skin tune are more natural, the color is vivid, the cloud in sky look more detail between sky. so i assume it has alot better color than my previous laptop, i even put the same MacOS wallpaper like my MacBook Pro to try, it look really close to Mac ! Compare to my previous Y530/Y7000 (both are 300nits + 144hz panel), it is night and day different. So, i am very happy to it. When the first power on, the X-Rite software has an option "restore display profile" which sound like it will download the display profile for your exact screen from Lenovo server, which it will set within few sec, i tried and it did change my display color little bit.

The HDR also work as advertise, the Youtube HDR content show very vivid color, and the black is deeper. Just that, Windows 10 built-in color management really bad, you can have different color in different program, you can see 2 type of color if you open a same image using 2 different software, say, a Chrome and Photos ? Both photo shown slightly different color. Overall, i will still rate it a premium screen !

The 144hz refresh rate also make thing smooth no matter you are on desktop or scrolling webpages in chrome, it just - smooth. I get the same feeling from my previous Y530 and Y7000, you wouldn't want to go back once you have high refresh display. But, the built in G-Sync make thing even better, i turn G-Sync on for all fullscreen apps (you can set it on nVidia Control Panel), and the games i play is much more smoother than before, games like CS-GO, GTA V, Forza Horizon 4 look smooth, from sudden fast moving object to slow walk in combat, you can really tell the different between G-Sync or not, it really made my day each time i play games from this laptop. You should really get this option if you want smooth gaming experience, this make me feel like million worth choosing 7i than 5i/5Pi. I will cap the max frame rate to 144hz on some games (Like Battle Field V) to fully utilize this display. Anyway, my graphic card is "just" a entry level for RTX , i have no regret to choose 144hz over 240hz since most graphic intensive games will not able to hit that number from this RTX2060, i will rather buy 144Hz + G-Sync than 240Hz without G-Sync. 144hz is more than enough for casual gamer like me, unless your eyes really up to 240Hz level to get some one headshot before they saw you :lol: The built in Lenovo Vantage software also allow you to enable "Over Drive" mode for the display, which say can further lower the response time, which i see no different between on and off, maybe my eyes arent fast as the screen, lol.

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Now come with the keyboard, well, Lenovo make really good keyboard, not mention their Thinkpad line-up, the Legion 7i keyboard also very very good. The keyboard travel in my previous Y530/Y7000 are longer, but the feedback is very clear in Legion 7i, and the key is much more stable than it, and also sound lot quieter. The key cap is flat to me, i like the 1 in 5/5i/5Pi which the key cap slightly curved, your finger is landed comfortable than this, maybe they want to have slim chassis, so has to built slim keyboard, curved design may not able to make it here. You will be fine after few minutes of type to accept the 1.3mm travel, when gaming, each key strike is very accurate, i did't face any error like i do in MacBook Pro previously. I get not register when i gaming in my previous MacBook Pro, but not this Laptop, and my previous Y530/Y7000 also working very well. But i still can't use to the new arrow key layout, it just place too low for me, i always need to low down my hand to get arrow key, and it keep pressing aluminum instead of left or right key, well, maybe it is more focus on gaming side, or maybe i am too get used of normal laptop keyboard layout. One thing great are the Fn key can be set to "Lock" , which you dont need to keep pressing Fn to adjust volume or brightness , it will lock the function key, a missing feature i need on my previous Y530/Y7000, the Thinkpad series has this but now also come with Legion. When you press Fn, the blue light will light up the part of function available on the keyboard, show you clearly what function available, a nice touch !

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The RGB led is super bright ! Like the screen, it is more than double bright than what Y530/Y7000 offer ! It has 3 bright level to adjust (4 level if including Off) , the y530/Y7000 only has 2 level. Even i set to minimum level, it still very bright on some color setting, say - ocean blue and pink. Luckily, you can turn it dimmer using iCUE software customization, you can set the "Opacity" slider lower to dim it down further, the slider has way more level, which you can actually more level to control brightness than using Lenovo own keyboard hot key (Fn+ up or down ). I also found that it actually brighter if you turn the "Opacity" in ICUE ! Mean it more than more brighter than out of the box ! It can even make your screen look colorful karaoke when you turn off your room light, that level of bright ! The preloaded rainbow spiral light effect will also turn on everytime you turn on the laptop, this is quite annoying as when you turn on your laptop in office, it will spin like funfair until log in to Windows and iCUE is loaded. Although you can also turn it to other mode or off by quickly press Fn+Space or Fn+Down few times, but it is quite annoying as you will need to press each time you turn on the laptop, hopefully Lenovo will fix this by update the BIOS in the future. (But Y740 face the same issue which does't solve until now). Otherwise if you really like those RGB, this laptop can make you fun, and the setting inside ICUE is million way to customize, you can stack each effect to each other as much as you can ! I am stacking 10 lighting effects in 1 profile. Something like you can have few effect on each key or section of the keyboard, you can set multiple key in multiple opacity (dim or bright) of you can set multiple effect for any key , any section, all load at once. You can spend many hours just to customize the light ! The light bar below the front side look cool when you put the laptop in glass surface as it will reflect the bar toward you. The exhaust vent at the back also very bright even you turn to min, when turn to max, it can light up anything surrounding it at night. Well, i am so fresh to RGB, i love the effect but i dont use it very much, but left it run some during not using the laptop can made up your mood.

The trackpad is very good, the sensitivity is great, the tracking is quite accurate also, above average standard, BUT, yes, a big BUT. But the clicking sound is very loud, it sound like light switch, it do click almost entire surface, but like most of the diving board style trackpad, the upper part will need to press harder, whats more, the trackpad will have some flex when press hard (but not diving), i can feel that the trackpad surface are made of quite thin plastic, thats why i can feel the flex of it in the middle part. And the surface material is made of Mylar , though it is smooth to use but i afraid it may wear out faster than glass type, but still, it get the job done when you need it. While gaming, i always use bluetooth mouse, so, it will not annoying me very much. If want the best trackpad experience,only Apple ForceTouch Trackpad has no body come close kind of it, but you will pay way more than this, many times more.

Laptop speaker has never made me love it, they usually sound flat and less volume, as a person come from a MacBook Pro (both 13 and 15" Touchbar) before, i still haven hear any windows laptop that sound like Apple, they are like Rolls-Royce's class in laptop speaker. Well, i can't compare it, as each company has their invention section, but Windows laptop really need to spend more time on speaker, just like the display and design, they actually keep up quite a bit compare to last few years. Say 5 years ago, Gaming laptop usually get very bad screen and bulky case, but today they have much better screen and nice looking, i wish it will be the same story for speaker. It will be perfect when a great gaming laptop has good screen, proper nice casing, good keyboard, and a very best speaker. But i am asking too much for it, as i know it everyone will be say : It is too expensive for an Windows Laptop ! Well, so we have to take some compromise if we want something affordable :console:

Legion 7i speaker is loud, clear, and no unwanted noise even crank up to max, which can hear that it contain quite a quality speaker, although they are very tiny left and right box (can see from those tear down video in youtube). At 40% volume, you can hear basically any dialog in games, there has even some audible low bass. iIf you crank more than 60%, you will hear only mid-high range, and you wouldnt want to crank more than 80%, as it will be very loud to listen. You can use it as media consumption like Youtube or Netflix, you will hear voice clearly even in mid noisy environment, but dont expect you will hear an helicopter vrooming from back or front even Lenovo (or some manufacture) keep mention it got Dolby sound effect, those speaker just to tiny to sound, you will need an headphone if you want to get those effect, but i rather suggest you to go for proper AV setup for your living room if you really want to get in such result, dont expect much from a laptop. If you are casual gamer or music lover like me, any external speaker will sound good enough.

The Webcam placement also improved for this model, unlike last gen of Legion, the "nose" cam ppl called. Well, i did'nt use webcam very much, so i dont mind for that, same does the Legion 7i. The quality for my eyes is fine, nothing special to talk about, it just like an average laptop webcam, well, it just a webcam, it will get your job done in very normal way. Unless you want to take selfie with it, you better use your phone. The built in mic were also average, nothing fancy about it like MacBook Pro 16", not even that level


Performance, temperature, fan noise, and battery life

For RM400 more, you will get 8-Core instead of 6, which one will you consider ? The 10750H model cost RM7999 and my model cost RM8399 both RRP without discount. I know you will be saying like hey, the AMD 4800H is way cheaper than Intel 10875H, and it has more performance and run cooler (due to 7nm), you can just go for Legion 5 for 8-Core, why need to spend that much of extra money for 7i ? Well, i got what you mean, which i actually consider this before i purchase this laptop. I went to Lenovo website almost everyday to customize and compare, the AMD model get awful screen, less powerful graphic card, and well, i came from y530 and y7000, i tried the plastic built laptop before, they are great but i need something premium built, and whats more, i really want a great display which Legion 5 dont offer that. The processor is only internal but the screen you have to view it everyday, i wish Lenovo have AMD version of this laptop but wait, is Intel really that bad ? Well, it may sound less performance and awful temperature (really ? more on that later) after recent AMD hit, but at least, it run stable on my many previous laptop, it as great reliability history (at least for me), it never fail me yet.

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I am not tech professional here so i cant show you a fancy bench mark for comparing, but base on my usage, i am comparing my previous Y7000, which has 6-Core i7 9750H, 16GB of 2666 DDR4, same RTX2060 (but in 80 or 90W variant as i remember) , same Samsung PM981a 1TB NvME SSD, same 144hz refresh rate display, i feel the Legion 7i run much more faster than it.

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It run even cooler during low load task compare to Y7000, it will not pass 55'c, and the processor use only 20 to 45W (mostly 20) in Auto Mode i assume that due to extra core, and i monitor there has not much than 35% load average for 1 hours of few tab chrome browsing, youtube video running. Everything feel snappier, and game load much faster. I spotted it hit 5.0Ghz quite frequently from HWiNFO.

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Switching to Performance mode, what amazed me is for the first time, i can install 2 games at once at the background and i can still use Chrome with multiple tabs (with youtube somemore) without any lag detected, the system is like fresh start. There has 2x 60GB games unpacking (from *ehemm Fit ehemm girl) simultaneously in the background, with Chrome running, the first minute of two, the processor crank up to 107W, and stay 85W for the rest until the unpack finish. during 107W, i spotted all-8 core running 4.8Ghz steady for many seconds, and 4.3 to 4.5ghz all-8 core for whole session, this is unbelievable for the first time i seen in laptop, and this thin of laptop ! I spend about 40 mins to done unpacking TWO! 60GB games ! I remember i spend about 30 mins per games in my last Y7000 , and i already jaw-dropping to see how fast of 9750H is on that time, this laptop lagi kuat ! Even all core is 100% load, the temperature is hovering between 82 to 87c', it seems to be pretty impressive.

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Well, the RTX2060 in this laptop is insanely powerful, from some rough in game benchmark, it is about 15 to 25% more performance than RTX2060 in Y7000 ! Some games like Battle Field V run very smooth even with RTX on, i got average of 73FPS with all setting set to ultra and HDR on ! The G-Sync make the game run even smoother. 1 thing quite surprise me is that this card actually run much higher clock speed than i expected, it hit 1920Mhz core and 5410mhz memory shown in HWiNFO ! I dont believe my eyes for the data, as last year my Y7000 only run at something 1250 to 1500mhz as i remember. Whats more, it can be overclock further using MSI Afterburner to 2055Mhz Core / 5710Mhz Memory (+155 Core / +300 Memory) give me another 5-7% boost in games. I saw 7% more on Forza Horizon 4 ! It run average of 90FPS with Max out setting on 1920x1080 Resolution, as you can see, this card actually perform very well, even it is years old of technology, i believe it can stand maybe extra 2-3 years more.

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During "Silent Mode", the fan is quiet, even "Auto Mode" if you doing light load like browsing and watching video, the laptop still very quiet, until you run some intensive task, the fan is audible then, but still, nothing about level of loud, bear in mind that from my observation, in Auto Mode, the PL1 power limit is set to 60W, and PL2 is 107W, so you will still get decent performance in Auto Mode, same does the fan noise, it can be range from quiet to audible, but not as loud as Performance mode, which set the PL1 to 85W, while the PL2 stay 107W.
In performance mode, the laptop act very differently, unlike previous Y530 or Y7000, you actually can feel the different very much, and if you observe the processor speed, it always stay above 4Ghz range. If your load is light, even in performance mode, the laptop will still stay quiet, until you load the games, the fan noise will be maximum. It is loud, but not sharp like some other laptop. What you hear the loud is the "Air Sound" squeezing from the vent, the noise is from the friction created by the air with the vent, sound Whoosh ~ not Pzzzz, so, it is acceptable to me. If you put your hand to feel the air from the vent, you can actually see how powerful are the both fan inside, you can still feel the air even 6 to 7 inches behind the vent, like that powerful. Lenovo stated that the fan are now power directly from main supply, which is 12V, and the fan blade is super thin, which i can verify it, it really powerful fan, much much powerful than the Y530 and Y7000. The amount of air is noticeably more. If you really mind about the fan noise during gaming, you will need an headphone. But, the built in speaker actually cover up the noise quite well, any volume above 50% will cover the max fan noise, nothing worry bout that.
Due to the laptop is made of aluminum in majority of part, it can be very warm during normal use, although you will only saw 43~55'c in HWiNFO monitor app. The palm rest stay cool even full load, but the upper part of the keyboard can be very hot to touch, same does the backside plastic panel, the power input port were also hot, the laptop can pull 200-210W total system power during very heavy load. The keyboard area stay comfortable no matter you are gaming or exporting video, which is quite amazing consider it is aluminum. The heat also dispense very quick by the 2 very powerful fan, after load it only take not more than a minutes for cooling down. The backcover can be uncomfortable even in light load, you wont want this laptop on your lap, really. So, dont expect to put on your lap during heavy load.

I didnt able to undervolt it until i learn the way to get in advance BIOS in Reddit, the first few days i am using my laptop without undervolt, get me the temp max at 94'c in CPU, and 69'c in GPU. You might say, wow, 94'c is very hot ! But wait, the 94'c actually come from the first minute when the processor crank up to 107W which is 5.1Ghz power, after the PL2 107W, it only stay between 83-87'c during continue of 85W all-8 core 100% load @ 4.3 to 4.6ghz ! The processor did thermal throttling when it reach 94'c, but i found no more throttling after PL2, during 85W of load, the processor stay below 88'c, which is quite impressive consider the thickness of laptop. Well, some might say 88'c still hot when this laptop has vapor chamber cooling, but if you look some review from youtube, the Razer use the same 8-core 10875H processor like this actually run cooler, ya, but if you read properly, Razer actually turn down the clock speed quite abit to 3.plus ghz, they arent run at full all core speed. The Legion 7i actually stay above 4Ghz, this create lot of heat compare to that, so you got to pay attention for this.

I am not an Intel or Lenovo fan boy, this laptop did run hot compare to, say, AMD laptop. This is due to the limitation of 14nm technology, intel only upgrade clock speed within this few generation of processor, it may seems not impressive if we compare to AMD, i can't blame Lenovo here, as they really doing very good job for cooling, especially this model, the Legion 7i. The continue load of 85W + 30W RTX2060 (Hybrid mode off) stay below 90'c are quite impressive, my previous Y7000 can only stay below 50W if want to maintain below 90'c, this is out of the box setting, no undervolting applied. So the Vapor Cooling + 12V fan system actually handle more than 100W of heat, imagine that if this laptop using AMD 7nm or Intel coming 10nm of processor ? The performance increase will be huge !

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Take Forza Horizon 4 gaming session 40 mins for example, the HWinFo shown that the RTX2060 pull up to 109W (without GPU overclocked), CPU pull up-to 79W ! The average gpu power is 79W, and CPU is 60W, the total system power draw is 218W, the GPU temp shot up to 68'c while the CPU run up to 91'c. Next is Battle Field V, with all setting to max and RTX on, this is by far the heavies load for game i have seen, it pull the RTX2060 to 114W (!!!) , but the CPU pull only 69W, but the average was quite high at 63W while the GPU is lower at 72W. The system also run hot in Battle Field V, CPU hit up to 93'c, and GPU come at 71'c. The average temperature for CPU is 84'c while the GPU is 66'c.

I got the way to enable XTU interface thru Advance BIOS mode, and try to undervolt the system. The first attempt are -0.145v (which same as my previous Y7000 and Y530 value) , first hours is okay until i reboot the system, it stuck at blank screen for 2 minutes, the system auto goes to BIOS healing mode (another good from Lenovo, i feel so nervous before the healing show up), the BIOS then back to factory mode and disable the XTU, all thing reset to normal. I then tried few setting, -0.135, -0.125, -0.120, none of it work stable, the system will freeze and give the blank screen again on next startup, and the BIOS healing itself again. The final working 1 is -0.115v, which work beautiful until today, no problem. 1 thing to mention that the Advance BIOS has lot of tweaking menu from Overclocking the CPU to RAM, to adjust system power level, but i dont touch anything as i am not understand it, afraid of flied my laptop, but it really has many engineer option to tweak, beware to set it unless you really understand what you doing.

I am at BIOS 2.02 (updated once), the XTU still available, and the Advance BIOS still working. I can see this laptop are so great for those who want to tweak this and that.

After undervolting, the temperature did goes down few degree but not as much as my previous Y7000 and Y530, the Y7000 for example, before undervolting can goes as high as 99'c ! Maybe the extra core need more power to feed, but still, it lower down 4 'c in Forza Horizon, and 5'c in Battle Field V, although it will increase few 'c back after GPU overclocked, but, better than no. I also noticed the undervolting made 107W stay longer , mean the CPU can boost up to 5Ghz longer (some times 5.1Ghz, but only a sec). Next, the overclock GPU does made the temperature hotter, by 3 'c for CPU, and 2'c for GPU. The Forza Horizon 4 ramp the GPU to 70'c, and pull 113W (before is 109w) graphic power, the total System power draw were also increase to 223W, which nearly the power adapter 230W limit !

The CPU will still hit 90'c during 107W of boost (5.0Ghz), but compare to 94'c before undervolt, it seems to be quite impressive, consider my last Y7000 crank to 4.06ghz only for this temp. Overall, like i said, the Lenovo Legion 7i has a very capable cooling solution, i bet if AMD use the same 14nm technology in this kind of setup will also generate the same result. But the performance gain is noticeable if we compare what they offer from last year. I see we actually get the same temperature number as last year Y740 (from youtube review) but the processor are now 2-core extra, hit up to 5.1ghz with 107W, and the graphic card now pull 110W instead of 80~90W, anything below 90'c to me consider fair, as it still bring me really good day to day and gaming performance.
For 80Whr battery, Lenovo claim that the Legion 7i can goes up to 8 hours of juice, but well, i of caused take that as a advertising candy. With current intel technology, it quite a hard task to make laptop that efficiency like AMD 4000 series did. I did't expect much about this as i moving between office and home everyday and i dont use laptop in mobile like some user do. I get about 7 hours battery life with 40% brightness , Utorrent running downloading with WiFi, RGB light off , Silent mode, that is without iCUE software running, as before i receive my laptop, some user from internet complaining that iCUE drain lot of battery so i disable it to run on startup, only run manually when i need it, no uninstalling needed, just disable it at start up option will be very fine. I also observe that when iCUE is running, it drain extra 15W on top of system power, it can drain as much as 50W even in Silent Mode, so that is really a problem for iCUE, i think they (lenovo or iCUE) will fix that soon by updating the software.
If browsing web something like Youtube running and multiple tab scrolling with 40% of brightness will get you about 5.5 hours of use, not impressive but as expected from such hardware. Some more, the 40% screen brightness is brighter than lot of laptop out there, it still more than comfortable to read, i assume it is somethimg 200 to 250nits of brightness, as it is very bright to use, even in my office with LED light environment. I also found that even in Silent Mode, the CPU sometimes still hit 4.5~4.8Ghz with up to 52W max and 30W average, it should be more battery life if you disable the turbo boost, well, quite hassle to gain some juice but still, it is an available option too.
Price, conclusion
Lenovo, they are like dell, they like to have promotion each day, few times per month. Very few will buy their laptop in RRP price (Normal price), ether you get student 15% discount, or some times they have some running coupon code for 5% all the way to 45% depend on model. But for Legion, they offer less discount than other model during normal season. You can still request extra few % by chatting with the sales rep in live chat, some will give you freegift, some will provide extra discount code for you, they just want you to key in their rep number at the order so that they can have some job incentive (i guess) .
I purchased this Legion 7i with 20% discount, which cost me around RM6750 without any freegift except 2 Yrs Premium On-Site, thanks to my Citibank Card Promo Code (CITI30) , i also found that in some forum that ppl are buying with 20% Discount using LENXCIMB code, actually i also can use LENXHLB as i receive the same promo from Hong Leong Bank, too. But my CitiBank Credit Card give me extra 0.5% if i spend using their card, so, why not ? I tried to chat with the sales rep, they can offer max 15% without student card needed, that is the max they can, all 4 different sales rep tell the same, they said the 20% discount is highest, no other country has such offer, and it will be end soon (It did end after my 2nd purchase, at 17/Jul as i remember), now all code only gave 6% discount, so you need to try your luck to chat with them or wait for next promo.
To me, the price is more than fair, and if compare with other's it seems like cheaper, you dont get G-Sync at most other laptop, and you dont get same screen quality like other laptop, too. For this price, say, Asus G14, for RTX2060 model it sell even expensive at RM7199 as i remember, but that 2060 is Max-Q variant, and the screen quality is no where like Legion 7i. Well, i dont mean to bash that, but after 20% discount, the attractive will be goes to 7i more. My previous Y530 and Y7000 both brought at around 5000 +-, and both working very well and the MYCS (Lenovo Malaysia) service is very responsible to me, they will reply any request you ask, and they are very helpful, too. So, i come back to Lenovo again, this brand is my 2nd trust-able after Apple.

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For below RM7000, the laptop worth the paid. The overall performance is impressive especially the RTX2060 actually improved so much compare to last year, and some review even prove that it better than last year RTX2070 from some laptop, and the overclocking work like charm. The chassis is solid and the built quality is on the premium side, which make it more appearing than the lower end 5-Series, although it do have some imperfection like flex and loud track pad, gaps between screen and keyboard, but it still feel solid when you hold it, it will not be this price if this hardware pack in more premium Apple-like chassis. The keyboard is fantastic, the RGB light is super bright although it quite a hassle to turn it off each time you power on the laptop. The Speaker is loud, which can also cover the fan noise, work as it should, nothing can be asking more. The temperature work as advertise although not great like some others laptop like Razer, but consider the continue full load of 85W and all core 4Ghz above and the graphic card crank up to 113W, while the fan is audible loud during full load but not sharp, this imperfect is forgivable. At the end, no laptop are perfect, every year there will be another replacement for this year top-end laptop, i would just buy what's the best to suit my budget.

There has still other laptop out there if you want to slot in for compare like Dell XPS and HP OMEN, but to me, at the time i purchase this laptop, below RM7000 is the best thing i can get.

Last, hope you all like my review and if any information is wrong please forgive me, as i am not really a professional person. Have a nice day and stay safe.
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The Power Of Lure: Achieve A 12 Minute CEO Run (One Year Anniversary) (Part V)

TLDR (Part V)
  • General Summary (Please click to read. Words may be hidden.)
    • Are you lost on how to get started on teaching the lure strategy in the CEO? Chapter 12 has got you covered!
    • Want to know how to correct messed-up cog waves in a CEO? Want to know how to defeat some tricky cog waves in a CEO? Chapter 13 has got you covered!
  • ChapteSection Summary
    • Chapter 12
      • Zero teaches you 11 LIFE-CHANGING TIPS on how to GET STARTED in teaching the lure strategy in CEO Runs. Watch all of your concerns being eased, one by one. Chapter 12 comes with FOUR EXTRA TIPS pertaining to CEO Runs as well!
    • Chapter 13
      • An extremely detailed guide on how to take down cog waves in CEOs. After covering “Starting Waves”, learn the power of “Integrating”. When that’s done, learn how to tackle the tricky cog waves. Chapter 13 comes with a throwless/squirtless adaptation for rows of 11s/12s. Don't worry: They require lure, so your team doesn’t get hit! Isn’t that nice???
Notice: This post is extremely long. As a result, I have decided to put the possible gag combinations for full 12s in the Comments Section.

Part V: GETTING STARTED (Part II)
Chapter 12: No Need To Panic!
So you heard about the fog-saving strategies and you wanted to execute these strategies in future CEO Runs. You desperately want to save foghorns. Yet at the same time, your brain is telling you to take the “Easy Route”.
You may be experiencing the following thoughts.
  • “Just use one foghorn per turn, (Insert Name!) If you try something new, you’ll anger the team anyways!”
  • “I CAN’T do this.”
  • “It’s IMPOSSIBLE.”
  • “I’ll ALWAYS fail.”
  • “My friends said I will NEVER succeed.”
  • “What will other people think of me?”
  • “Where do I get started?”
  • “What if somebody from my team accidently messed up a cog wave?”
Let us get started.
First, choose a strategy. Your options are One Fog Carry Hybrid or One Fog Carry Hybrid (Modified). Each one comes with its own advantages and disadvantages.

  • One Fog Carry Hybrid
    • Original Creator: Whiteout
    • Link:https://www.reddit.com/toontownrewritten/comments/hgh7dx/the_one_fog_carry_hybrid_a_new_and_improved_meta/
    • Pros
      • Recommended to toons who wish to save foghorns but are used to “One Fog Rule”.
      • Four foghorns at minimum can be saved.
      • Easiness: Whiteout recommends “One Fog” to be used if 2 or more cogs will die in a cog wave. (e.g. 10-10-11-11)
      • No attack animations on 11s and 12s.
      • Fast time: One run was reported to take 12 minutes.
      • No rewards used.
    • Disadvantages
      • Some toons only want one option: To “One Fog”, or to lure. “In-between” strategies confuse them.
      • Get ready for animation times on cog waves such as 11-11-10-10.
      • Foghorns may run out quickly as “Purely One Fog Rule”, although some may be saved due to the result of luring.

  • One Fog Carry Hybrid (Modified)
    • Original Creator: Zero
    • Link:https://www.reddit.com/toontownrewritten/comments/hkyrut/a_further_explanation_of_one_fog_carry_post_from/
    • Pros
      • Recommended for toons who will do EVERYTHING in their power to save foghorns.
      • Virtually no animation times if every gag hits.
      • High fog savings: Expect to save around 4~10. Usually, the team will save 6. (Estimated for over 50 CEOs)
      • Clear boundaries: If “One Fog” or its variation “Fog, 2 trunk, Cake” does not wipe out a cog wave, lure will be used. (Note: Zero has a few ways of dealing with 11-10-10-10 sets)
      • Fast time: World record was 9 min. However, 3 level 7s were used, although they came from my pocket. Estimated time is 10~17min, depending on how your team reacts. Usually it takes 10~13min.
      • Reported high success rate: Zero has used this combat method for over 50 CEOs. The majority of them went well.
      • No rewards used.
    • Disadvantages
      • Some toons will purposely mess up this strategy (Resulting in 17min for Round 1) and then claim “One Fog Rule” is superior.
      • Like Whiteout, toonup will be used to increase lure accuracy. However, unlike Whiteout, this strategy is lure-intensive. Toons who get impatient when sound isn’t used 24/7 will definitely hate this strategy.
      • When executing this strategy, you would have to keep track of gag count to determine the best course of action. On the plus side, due to the foghorns saved, you could sound a cog wave. (Or just the skelecog layer)
      • Wave resets are tough when you have a team picking random gags or distrusting your math. (E.g. Using cake + cream even though you recommended 2 cakes for lured 12s) However, this is starting to become a solvable issue lately.
Now, time to discuss your concerns. The rest of the chapter will be split into “General” thoughts and “Team-specific” thoughts. The former deals with big issues while the latter discusses tips/tricks related specifically to CEO Runs.

General Thoughts
  • Tip: What drives you? Think about WHY you want to execute the strategy in the first place.
    • When some people try to commit to their goals in real life, they try to rely purely on willpower to get through. While having willpower is a good thing, eventually you will run out of it. Instead, I suggest asking yourself WHY you want to commit to a goal. WHY do you want to lure instead of “One Fog Rule” in CEOs? Here are some of my reasons.
      • Reason 1: I want to save foghorns so the cog waves on Round 3 are easier.
      • Reason 2: I want to teach people that foghorns can be saved in CEOs without the aid of rewards.
      • Reason 3: I don’t want to get hit by rows of 11s and 12s every single round.
      • Reason 4: I don’t want to rely on somebody using a sound restock by the end of Round 1. I want to control my own luck.
      • Reason 5: I want to make new friends in CEO Runs.
  • Tip 2: Don’t worry about small details.
    • Your brain is panicking: “Am I doing it the right way?” “When is the perfect time to test out this strategy?” “Are you sure you can execute this strategy, without fail, on the first try?” “What will my friends think?” “How do I deal with resetting cog waves?”
    • Do not fear! The specifics will be dealt later on the post, promise. The important part is getting started. Which reminds me of my third tip.
  • Tip 3: There is no “Perfect” time to get started. Don’t wait for motivation to strike.
    • Let us be honest. Have you ever procrastinated on homework because of the following reasons?
      • “Tomorrow, I can find my motivation.”
      • “Tomorrow, because I have so much time.”
    • The harsh truth: There is no “Perfect” time. The chances of you having the “Perfect” time where your motivation is maxed out is as likely as all traffic lights turning green in a 5 mile radius. In other words, very rare.
  • Tip 4: Here are some further details to get you started.
    • Here are actionable steps you can take to maximize your success for the lure strategy.
      • Step 1: Have a solid foundation of how gag damage, lure bonus, and team bonus is calculated.
      • Step 2: Discover how carry over is calculated. To ensure maximum success, review how carry over is calculated for each gag track.
      • Step 3: Continue reading Part V to discover lure strategies for cog waves. Many examples will be used.
      • Step 4: As for the specifics, do not worry! This will be covered!

  • Tip 5: Take some time out of your day to review: It doesn’t have to be 30 or even 15 minutes!
    • “But I don’t have enough time!” you say. “I have to work extremely long hours!”
    • The real question is, “Have you considered reviewing your schedule to determine whether you can squeeze in some time to review the lure strategy?”
      • Unless you are working 13 hours per day in the minefields of South Africa for terrible wages, I believe you can squeeze in a little bit of time.
    • I am not encouraging you to skip sleep, skip or shorten meals, skip exercising, skip family time, or skipping studying sessions. I believe skipping these can be detrimental to your health and grades, reducing your productivity and happiness.
    • Instead, think about where you can squeeze in time for the lure strategy. Even 5 minutes makes a big difference.
      • For example, do you spend the majority of your time in TTR in Vibrant Valley, mindless gossipping about other toons or complaining about your life? I suggest you use that time (e.g. 5 min or 15 min, who knows) to review the lure strategy. Small steps make a big difference.
      • Mathematical Proof: Let’s say you want to get 1% better every day. Assuming your current performance is 100, continuing to be 1% better for 2 months results in the end performance of 182. That’s an 82% increase in performance!
      • Now imagine you put in 5 minutes of effort per day to review the lure strategy! That’s 300 minutes, or 5 hours of learning! In just 2 months, putting 5 minutes of effort per day, you can become a CEO expert!
  • Tip 6: Optimize your surroundings.
    • I can’t explain the significance of the environment enough. If you are constantly surrounded by friends who complain about everything, such as the fact that their nearby Starbucks was sold out of Venti-Size Caramel Frappuccino, so they had to grab the Tall instead, you will become one of them as well.
    • A great first step is to take a look at your friends list. It is a wise idea to remove the toxic toons. Your happiness and mental health will thank you.
    • This goes hand in hand with Tip 7.

  • Tip 7: Make the habit easy.
    • Have you heard of the term, “Electricity takes the path of the least resistance?”
    • The same applies to human nature as well: We are biologically programmed to find the “Easy” way. This explains why some habits don’t stick: They are too hard.
    • This goes hand in hand with Tip 5. If your daily habits included 30 minutes of gym, 15 minutes of meditation, and 100 push-ups, it would be hard to maintain it every single day. Even worse, assume the whole routine takes you 2 hours to complete. One day, as you come from work, you only have 1.5 hours to complete your routine. Most people tend to skip the whole routine because “They don’t have enough time.”
    • This further explains the importance of making the habit easy. Now, imagine taking the habit and phrasing it in the following ways.
      • 5 min of gym
      • 5 min of meditation
      • 5 push-ups
    • “Zero, that’s ridiculous!” I hear you say. “It’s only 5 minutes worth of effort! It can’t make a difference.”
    • But have you considered Tip 5? Just by getting 1% better each day, this leads to a huge improvement in just 2 months. In the same way, small actions eventually lead to big consequences.
    • How can you apply this to the lure strategy?
      • If your first instinct upon entering any CEO run is to select a foghorn, then I would suggest making it easier for you to select lure. If you are throwless/squirtless, I suggest maxing out your throw/squirt gags by spending 5 minutes each day training your gags.
      • Because let’s be honest, if your throw and squirt options are out, you’ll immediately turn to sounding.
      • However, if you would still wish to maintain your throwless and squirtless status, feel free to do so. Just know that while some strategies mentioned in Chapter 13 can be adjusted to one squirtless/throwless toon, please note that this may not be a viable option for some cog waves.
      • If you are not throwless/squirtless, it may be helpful to get some friends who would support you luring.

  • Tip 8: Learn how to deal with failure.
    • What do you think about when I mention the word, failure? You may scream in terror: “Failure is terrible! The perfect life doesn’t have failures!”
    • However, failure is a necessary part of life. We have all grown up being told failure “Was never an option” or “Terrible”. As a result, many adults are afraid of trying something new.
      • Sadly, this mantra of failure being a “Bad Option” is reinforced in the TTR Community as well. The reason why it is hard for some toons to listen to the lure strategy (E.g. Can you use 2 cakes on each lured 12?) is because as low toons, they were excluded, yelled at, and got hurled insults. As a result, they came to resent the instructions of “High Toons”. They want to try and experiment along the way. Simply convincing them “Cake + Cream does not give carry over to a lured 12” isn’t enough. They want to actually experience and see it for themselves.
      • If you are resentful of “High Toons”, I suggest you go to Sellbot Factory and solo the long route. (Or with your friends) I suggest you lure the entire way to discover cog combinations. Experiment with gag combinations.
    • The most successful people in the world have gone through MANY failures/obstacles in their life.
      • Yes, you heard that right. Rich people didn’t get rich because “They were lucky”. The majority of rich people you know are self-made. They weren’t born into wealth.
      • Consider the following names: Colonel Sanders and JK Rowling.
      • Need more evidence?


  • Tip 10: You can’t please everybody in life. Here is why.
    • Too many people live their lives by buying expensive things to impress people who they don’t even like!
      • What is the cause of this misery? I argue it is due to TV and Social Media.
      • Pop culture is awash with rappers flexing their latest Gucci shirt/Louis Vuitton/Supreme outfits.
    • The harsh truth: You can’t impress everybody you see in life. There are always people who will hate everything you do. They are called HATERS.
      • Why are they called haters? Because they are in a lower position than you, so they try to drag you down! Who guessed?
    • People who end up trying to please everybody end up having their personalities destroyed. They aren’t sure what their true self is. Please do not end up like them.
  • Tip 11: YOU CAN DO THIS! HAVE SELF-ESTEEM!
    • But how can you have self-esteem when your only source of external validation/approval is buying expensive products to impress your friends/random people?
      • Answer: Think of the time where YOU BEAT THE ODDS.

Team-Specific Thoughts
  • Tip 1: Be well-rested on the day of the CEO Run. Abstain from adult grape juice, any beverages that can decrease cognitive function, and illegal substances for maximum efficiency. Stay hydrated. Do not forget a well-balanced diet. (Though you can eat sweets like Snickers in MODERATION!)
    • Science has shown the lack of sleep can lead to a decrease in concentration. Adult grape juice and other beverages that are for adults can decrease cognitive function temporarily. Now combine this with illegal substances, dehydration from drinking too many soft drinks, and a terrible diet filled with Domino's Pizza 24/7.
      • The end result? You’ll be whacked even before the CEO starts. You can’t do the mental math in your head because your head is in a state of confusion.
      • I can’t tell you how many toons make terrible gag decisions because they feel “Whacked” as a result of terrible health choices. I’ve seen it happen to other toons, and it’s NOT a pretty sight.
  • Tip 2: To improve your CEO Runs, turn on some music.
    • If you are tired of the same old in-game music, I suggest you turn it off and pick your own song from Youtube. However, I suggest you turn sound effects to the max so you can still hear other toons talking while you are selecting music. Here are some tips.
      • Go for fast-tempo, lively, energetic songs. They will give you a boost in confidence and will allow you to keep on moving forward.
      • Create a playlist that is at least one hour long. If that does not suit you, go for a few select songs and pick the “Random Order” option. Who knows, you may get the same song twice.
    • If neither of these suits you, pick one song BEFORE the CEO Run and loop it.
      • If you wish to change the music, make sure you do it quickly during Round 2, where 15 seconds of being afk doesn’t result in huge consequences. Maybe Round 4 as well.
  • Tip 3: Directly suggest the lure strategy to the team.
    • This is a controversial one. Some toons recommend gradually mentioning the request to your CEO teammates while others suggest directly stating your request to the team.
      • Personally, when I enter a CEO Run by Toon HQ, I simply say “Hi”, wait until 6 members arrive, (Or when I feel like it) and directly suggest the lure strategy to the team. Here is how I say it.
      • Do what feels right to you. I like being direct because it allows me to realize how many people are on board with the strategy. The teammate who expresses his/her disapproval usually ends up leaving the HQ group.
  • Tip 4: Know when to call it quits.
    • Despite your best efforts, you may eventually be forced by the team to “Shut up forever” because you are “Ruining their fun after a long day” by suggesting an “Inefficient, terrible strategy”.
    • You may want to forget about the lure strategy if 2 or more toons who join the CEO are chatless. Chances are, at least one chatless toon will end up on your side.
    • I leave the rest up to you. I tend to be extremely persevering when it comes to the lure strategy: I try convincing the team over and over again until I feel I’ve pushed too far or the team gets extremely angry.
What about “Wave Resets”? They will be discussed in Chapter 13.

Chapter 13: Carry Over Strategies
Upon entering the CEO, you will be faced with a few starting waves. Here are the possible combinations you will receive.
  • 9-9-9-9
  • 9-9-12-9
  • 9-12-12-9
  • 9-12-12-12
  • 9-10-12-9
  • 9-11-12-9
This chapter will deal with all possible cog waves. You will also see “One Fog Carry Hybrid” and “One Fog Carry Hybrid (Modified)” will deal with such cog waves.
Important Note: You will see toonup, lure, and 2 passes in some gag combinations. The presence of toonup has two reasons: One, to increase lure accuracy. Two, toonup heals damaged toons.
Important Note 2: After the “Starting Waves” have been covered, you will learn how to “Integrate” cog waves. Three examples will be given. Afterwards, you will learn how to take down the other cog waves. Once you have learned this, Part V is finished. Part VI, where you learn about Level 7 Gag Strategies, will be posted sometime.

Starting Round
9 - 9 - 9 - 9
  • Rarity: Very Rare
  • Attack Sequence:
    • One Fog 3 Trunks
    • 2 aoogah 2 trunks
  • Can be used for both “One Fog Carry Hybrid” and “Modified”.
9 - 9 - 12 - 9
  • Rarity: Uncommon
  • Attack Sequence:
    • One Fog + 2 Trunks + Cake/Piano (12)
    • One Fog + 2 Trunks + Cake/Piano (12)
    • Can be used for both “One Fog Carry Hybrid” and “Modified”.
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 4 storms (Level 12)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Piano (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Lure + 2 Cake + Safe (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Lure + 3 cake (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 4)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 5)
      • 2 Cakes + 2 Organic Creams (Level 12)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
  • If the round is drawing close and should fog supplies near the count of 4, it is a wise idea to use the lure strategy.
9 - 12 - 12 - 9
  • Rarity: Very Common
  • Attack Sequence:
    • One Fog + 3 Trunks (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Aoogah + 2 Trunks
      • Org TNT (12s) + Lure + toonup
    • One Fog + 3 Trunks (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • One Fog + 3 Trunks
      • TNT (12s) + Lure + toonup
    • One Fog + 3 Trunks (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • One Fog + 3 Trunks
      • Lure + toonup + 2 pass
      • Storm + Hose (12s)
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Cakes (Each 12)
      • 2 Hoses (Each 12)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Piano (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure + Hose + 2 Piano (Level 12)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Piano (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • Fog + 2 Trunk + Cake/Piano (Level 12)
      • Fog + 2 Trunk + Cake/Piano (Level 12)
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Piano (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 4)
      • Lure + 2 Cake + Safe (Level 12)
      • 1 Fog Strategy
    • Important Takeaway
      • If you attempt to take down one of the 12s in one turn, you can continue with luring in hopes of getting full 9s, or you can use the “One Fog” approach.
      • One advantage of “Modified” is that it allows full 9s to fly in if the strategy is executed correctly and efficiently. This translates into fog savings. But if they don’t that’s still OK. You can 1 Fog the wave anyways.
9 - 12 - 12 - 12
  • Rarity: Common
  • Attack Sequence:
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Cakes (Each 12)
      • 2 Hoses (Each 12)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy.
    • Lure + Any strategy that can take down both layers of a 12.
      • Resort to any “One Fog” strategy listed for 9-12-12-9.
      • Recommended if you do not feel comfortable luring.
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Cakes (Each 12)
      • 2 Hoses (Each 12)
      • Lure + Any strategy that can take down both layers of a 12.
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy.
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Pianos (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure + Hose + 2 Pianos
      • Lure + Hose + 2 Pianos
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy.
    • Key Takeaway
      • Find what works the best, depending on team gag count. For example, you may want to go for lure left kill right, taking down the 12s in its path. Or you can choose to lure and pass at some turns. It is up to you to continue with luring once you receive 9-9-9-12, or to continue with “One Fog”.
9 - 10 - 12 - 9
  • Rarity: Rare
  • Attack Sequence:
    • One Fog 3 Trunks
      • One Fog 3 Trunks
      • Lure + TNT (12) + Toonup + Pass
      • Best to use this combination if you are a fan of a “Wave Reset”.
    • Key Takeaway
      • When faced with the Level 12 Skelecog, you have 3 choices.
      • Whiteout heavily emphasizes “Wave Resets”.
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Cakes + Cake/Cream
      • 2 Hoses (Level 10/12)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy.
    • Lure + Org Cake + 2 Creams (Level 10) (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy if 9s come next.
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Pianos (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy.
    • Lure + 2 Cakes + Safe (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 4)
      • Find a way to take down the level 12 in one turn.
    • Key Takeaway
      • You have three choices. One, you can choose to take down both the 10/12 by luring and passing. Two, you can choose to take down the 10, leaving you space to continue luring or “One Fog”. Three, you can choose to take down the 12, allowing you to continue luring or “One Fog”.
      • If you’re dealing with 10s, think of what can take down the cog in a single turn. Here’s an example: 2 Storm + Hose (W/Lure)
      • If you plan to take down the 10/12, you can also choose 2 Cake/Storm+Hose. This deals carry over damage to both cogs, but be prepared for 2 costs.
9 - 11 - 12 - 9
  • Rarity: Rare
  • Attack Sequence:
    • One Fog 3 Trunks (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • One Fog 3 Trunks
      • Lure + Any Gag + Toonup
      • Lure, Cream, (11) TNT (12), Toonup
      • Best to use this combination if you are a fan of a “Wave Reset”.
    • One Fog 3 Trunks (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • 4 Trunks
      • Lure + 2 Hose (11) + Org TNT (12)
    • Key Takeaway
      • You have three ways to deal with the Level 11/12 Skelecog:
      • Whiteout heavily emphasizes “Wave Resets”.
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • Lure + toonup + 2 pass (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • Cake+Cream/2 Cake (Level 11/12)
      • 2 Creams (Level 11/12)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy.
    • Lure + Hose + 2 Pianos (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy: Go for 1 Fog 2 Trunks, safe on 11. Only do this if the replacement cog is a level 9.
    • Lure + 2 Cake + Safe (Level 12) (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • Find a way to take down the level 12 in one turn.
    • Lure + 3 Storms (Level 11) (Turn 1, Combination 4)
      • Apply the “One Fog” strategy if 9s come.
      • Or simply find a way to take down both layers of a 11 in a single turn. Storm + Hose + Piano works in combination with lure.
    • Key Takeaway
      • You have three choices. One, you can choose to take down both the 11/12 after a round of Lure + Toonup + 2 passes. Two, you can choose to take down the 11, leaving you space to continue luring or “One Fog”. Three, you can choose to take down the 12, allowing you to continue luring or “One Fog”.
      • If you plan to take down the 11/12 in a single turn, you can also choose 2 Storm/2 Cake. While these combinations can successfully damage the skelecog layer, get ready for a sacrifice. (Thankfully, you can 2 hose each skelecog in this case.)

The Power Of “Integrating” Cog Waves
So your team decided to follow “One Fog Carry Hybrid” (Non-Modified) on the 10-10-10-11 set. “One Fog” was used twice. The replacement cogs are 11, 11, and 12! PANIC! What do you do?
You can always take down the Level 11 skelecog at 41HP in this case, but you can also “Integrate” the cog wave. Here’s how to do it.

  • 1) Assess your current condition.
    • 12 (Unlured, V2.0) 11 (Unlured, V2.0) 11 (Unlured, V2.0) 11 (Unlured, 41HP)
  • 2) ALWAYS go for lure, toonup, and 2 passes.
  • 3) Find “Similarities”.
    • Take a look at the cog waves. There are two lured 11s at full HP.
  • 4) Execute.
    • Go for 2 storms on each lured 11. Remember, don’t go for Storm + Hose. No carry over if you do that.
    • Go for lure, toonup, and 2 passes.
  • 5) Plan and assess.
    • This should be your current condition now.
      • 12 (Lured, V2.0) 11 (Lured, 44HP) 11 (Lured, 44HP) 11 (Lured, 41HP)
  • 6) Take down the non-skelecog.
    • Go for Storm + 3 Hose on the lured 12.
  • 7) Calculate HP.
    • 12 (Unlured, 115HP)
  • 8) Sound. Think of possible gag combinations to save foghorns when possible.
    • Go for 3 Aoogahs (Kills all 11s and does 58dmg) and safe on 11.
“Integrating” is very powerful: You can also correct cog waves and you can also deal with wonky cog waves.

SCENARIO 1
  • Upon facing a row of 11s, you ask for lure, toonup, and 2 passes. All goes well until Turn 2.
    • Turn 2: 2 Storms (11) Storm (11) Storm (11)
  • DISASTER! Now what? You can’t blame the team: They previously complained about being tired at 3AM!

Follow the steps for “Integrating”.
Note: The 36HP is a result of Storm + Lure. (156 - 80 - 40)
  • 1) Assess your current condition.
    • 11 (Lured, V2.0) 11 (Unlured, 44HP Skelecog) 11 (Unlured, 36HP) 11 (Unlured, 36HP).
  • 2) Don’t go for toonup in this case: Think of convenience and efficiency.
  • 3) Find “Similarities.”
    • There are two unlured 11s at 36HP. Maybe sound as to deal carry over damage?
  • 4) Execute.
    • 1 Fog + 2 Trunks + Safe (11)
    • You can also choose to fire the Lured 11, leaving you with only 2 skelecogs at the following cog waves.
  • 5) Plan and assess.
    • 11 (Unlured, 156HP) 11 (Unlured, 87HP) 11 (Unlured, 87HP)
    • Do understand that while you are calculating, the cog waves will keep on coming. The only exception is if this is your last cog wave.
    • We will assume the worst: The incoming cog is a 12.
  • 6) Take down the non-skelecog.
    • Lure + 2 Creams + Cake
  • 7) Calculate HP.
    • 12 (Unlured, 110HP)
  • 8) Sound. Think of possible gag combinations to save foghorns when possible.
    • Go for 1 Fog + 2 Trunks. (Takes down two 11s and a 12) Safe on the 11 that used to be on 156HP. If safe is not available, go for storm clouds.
      • 1 Fog 2 Trunks does 111 dmg. If org cream is used in combination, the total gag damage is 155. (111+44) If you want to use organic cream, hopefully one person has an organic trunk.
    • In Step 6 for this cog combination, you can also choose to ask for lure, toonup, and 2 passes. This leaves 4 gag spaces to attack the lured 12.

If you fired the Lured 11, two cogs will be replaced. Let’s assume the worst: They are 12s.
12 (Unlured, V2.0) 12 (Unlured, V2.0) 11 (Unlured, 87HP) 11 (Unlured, 87HP)
  • Round 1: Lure, toonup, and 2 passes.
  • Round 2: 2 Cakes on each 12
  • Round 3: Sound. Go for 2 aoogahs and 2 trunks, which deal 89dmg if inorganic. All cogs die.

SCENARIO 2
  • Your team has congratulated you on your great “Carry Over” skills. “No problem!” you say. However, you quickly take back your smirk when the replacement cogs arrive.
    • 10-11-12-12
  • WHAT DO YOU DO?

Follow the steps for “Integrating”.
  • 1) Assess your current condition.
    • 10 (Unlured, V2.0) 11 (Unlured, V2.0) 12 (Unlured, V2.0) 12 (Unlured, V2.0)
  • 2) ALWAYS go for lure, toonup, and 2 passes.
  • 3) Find “Similarities.”
    • There are two lured 12s. Maybe you should go for the 2 Cake Combination?
  • 4) Execute.
    • 2 Cakes (Each 12)
  • 5) Plan and assess.
    • The two unlured 12s are at 60HP. Think about your current gag count. If your team cake/storm count is dangerously low, then the smart choice is to use 2 hoses to let the 12s die.
    • If your gag count is still OK, (e.g. You have plenty of storms) then go for lure, toonup, and 2 passes.
  • 6) Take down the non-skelecogs.
    • THINK.
      • Level 10: Storm/Hose, Cake/Cream (Carry Over W/Lure)
      • Level 11: Cake/Cream, 2 Storms (Carry Over W/Lure)
    • Should you feel the cake count is low, go for Storm/Hose on the level 10, and 2 Storms on the level 11.
  • 7) Calculate HP.
    • 10 (Skelecog, 77HP) 11 (Skelecog, 44HP) 12 (Skelecog, 60HP) 12 (Skelecog, 60HP)
  • 8) Sound. Think of possible gag combinations to save foghorns when possible.
    • Take a look at the highest HP remaining: 77. What sound combination deals 77 dmg?
      • Good news! 4 Aoogahs do exactly 77! Allow everybody to aoogah so that all cogs die!
      • Now you can enjoy the compliments the team throws at you.
Now back to the cog waves.

Middle Round
11 - 10 - 10 - 10
  • Rarity: Rare
  • Attack Sequence:
    • 1 Fog 3 Trunks
      • 1 Fog 3 Trunks
      • You can either take down the 11 with lure or “Integrate” it.
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • 2 Fog 2 Aoogahs (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 1 Fog + 2 Trunks + Safe/Storm (11)
      • 2 Fog 2 Aoogahs will do 132 base damage. Carry over is dealt to the level 10s as a result.
    • Lure + Org Cake + 2 Cream (Level 10) (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Follow the strategy for 11-11-10-10.
    • Lure + Toonup + 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • Storm + Hose (Each 10)
      • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes
      • Storm/Hose (10), 2 Storm (11)
      • All aoogah!
    • Key Takeaway
      • NEVER attempt to take down the 11 on the left. In other words, don’t focus on it. Chances are, the 11s will keep on coming. If you MUST take down the 11s for some unknown reason, make sure you can maintain the gag count well, and I mean better than ME. Back when my dominant CEO strategy was lure left kill right, I learned this lesson the HARD WAY by using 3 Storms on the lured 11. Don’t underestimate the perseverance of the cogs.
11 - 11 - 10 - 10
  • Rarity: Uncommon
  • Attack Sequence:
    • 1 Fog 3 Trunks
      • 1 Fog 3 Trunks
      • Take down the 11s with lure, or “Integrate” them.
  • Attack Sequence (Modified):
    • Lure + Toonup + 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Storms (11s) or Cake/Cream (11s)
      • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes
      • Cake/Cream (10s) or Storm/Hose (10s)
      • 2 Aoogah 2 Trunks (If Cake/Cream on 11s) or All Aoogah
    • Lure + Toonup + TNT 10s (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure, Toonup, TNT 10s
      • Follow the “Row of 11s” strategy.
      • This strategy enables us to save storms/cakes.
    • Key Takeaway
      • NEVER attempt to use TNT on the 11s in this case. The chances of more 11s being the replacement cogs is HIGH. In other words, you wasted some rounds of lure. If you MUST take down the 11s in this case, make sure 2 magnets (6 rounds of lure) are used BEFORE you place your first TNTs down. Lure can be stacked up to increase rounds.
11 - 11 - 11 - 10
  • Rarity: Undetermined
  • Attack Sequence (Hybrid/Hybrid Modified):
    • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Storms (11s) or Cake/Cream (11s)
      • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes
      • All Aoogah, 3 Aoogah + Hose, (If ONE 11 was exposed to Cake/Cream) or 2 Aoogah 2 Trunks (Multiple 11s, Cake/Cream)
    • Lure, Toonup, TNT 11s (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure, Toonup, TNT 11s
      • Follow the strategy for 12-12-11-10. See Scenario 2.
    • Lure, Org Cake + 2 Creams (10s) (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • This strategy enables you to get a full 11 set.
11 - 11 - 11 - 11
  • Rarity: Very Common
  • Attack Sequence (Hybrid/Hybrid Modified):
    • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Storms (Each 11, Recommended), Cake/Cream
      • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes
      • 2 Storms (Each 11, Recommended), Cake/Cream
      • All Aoogah, 2 Aoogah/2 Trunk (If Cake/Cream)
    • Lure, 2 TNT, and Toonup (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure, 2 TNT, Toonup
      • This strategy enables you to save storms/cakes. The chances of you getting the 12-12-11-11 set are HIGH.
    • Lure, Storm, 2 Hoses (Squirtless Adaptation) (Combination 3)
      • Lure, Storm, 2 Hoses (Mid-right cog)
      • Lure, Storm, 2 Hoses (Mid-left cog)
      • Lure, Storm, 2 Hoses (Left cog)
      • 2 Aoogah 2 Trunks
    • Lure, Storm/Hose, Piano (Squirtless Adaptation) (Combo 4)
      • Lure, Storm/Hose, Piano
      • Repeat till all level 11s are destroyed. Go for “Storm Rotation” to ensure the level 6 squirt gag is used evenly.
    • Key Takeaway
      • ONLY use the “Squirtless Adapation” strategies in the event of an EXTREME EMERGENCY, ESPECIALLY COMBINATION 4! The fourth combination should only be used as a last-ditch plan. DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT RESORT UNTIL ALL HOPE IS LOST! The fourth combination assumes the pianos will hit every time. Furthermore, you better pray the lure hits.
      • Normally, use the Lure/Toonup/2 Passes Strategy. Or the TNT one, if you prefer.
12 - 11 - 11 - 11
  • Rarity: Undetermined
  • Attack Sequence (Hybrid/Hybrid Modified)
    • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • Cake/Cream OR 2 Storms (Each 11)
      • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes
      • Cake/Cream OR 2 Storms (11s), 2 Cakes (12)
    • Lure, TNT on 11s (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure, TNT on 11s
      • This strategy enables you to save cakes/storms.
12 - 12 - 11 - 11
  • Rarity: Common
  • Attack Sequence (Hybrid/Hybrid Modified)
    • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 1)
      • 2 Cakes (Each 12)
      • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes
      • 2 Storms (Each 11, Recommended) or Cake/Cream
      • All Aoogah or 2 Aoogah 2 Trunks (If Cake/Cream)
    • Lure, TNT (11s), Toonup (Turn 1, Combination 2)
      • Lure, TNT (11s), Toonup
      • This strategy enables you to save cakes/storms. Cakes are highly valuable for rows of 12s.
    • Lure, Toonup, 2 Passes (Turn 1, Combination 3)
      • Cake/Cream, 2 Storms (11s) OR 2 Cakes (12s)
      • 2 Creams (Each 11) or 2 Hoses (Each 12)
End Round
Level 9
  • Rarity: Meeting a kind player in League Of Legends (ULTRA RARE)
  • Lure, Cake, 2 Creams
    • Side note: Other combinations include 12-12, 9-12-12, and etc.
The bottom line: These cog wave guides are guides. However, nothing is more important than YOU getting started. If you wish to learn more, join my side in several CEO Runs.
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